Have You Experienced Sexism in the Music Industry?

April 27, 2012{ 46 Comments }

iStock 000017819101XSmall Have You Experienced Sexism in the Music Industry?None of these statements probably strike you as particularly revelatory: white people CAN rap; black people CAN play country; women CAN rock!

Let’s all pat ourselves on the back for a minute– we’ve recognized the foolishness of many of our former assumptions. (And by “our,” I suppose I mean “society’s,”– which I’ll let you define however you like.)

But the battle ain’t won yet!

OK now, party-time’s over. Just because fewer limitations are imposed on us these days based on race, sex, socio-economic status, or any other demographic category, it doesn’t mean racism, sexism, classism, or other -isms have completely subsided in the entertainment world; they’ve just taken on more subtle forms.

For this particular blog post, I’m curious about your experience with sexism in the music business; after all (as the cliche correctly goes), it’s a male-dominated industry.

OK. I’ll get things started…

… with a confession of my own. I’ve been guilty a few times of Cute-Girl Dismissal Syndrome. That is where you discredit the talents of a woman (normally without ever hearing a note of her music) simply based on the fact that she’s attractive according to the standards of… yes, society– and you bitterly assume this affords her some unfair advantage. Like the joke goes, “How do you get to perform at Hotel Cafe? Be a cute girl.”

But let’s turn this scenario around for a second. Aren’t most male music stars considered sexy (by at least some of the population)? No one ever says, “Oh, the Beatles– that’s that talentless band that made it because they’re cute.”

And when there are exceptions to the attractiveness rule, they’re generally on the male side of things. Both in film and music, the public seems more willing to “forgive” a guy his ugly face, gray hair, or beer belly if he exhibits enough charm or talent. Women aren’t afforded this same lenience.

If we acknowledge (sadly) that extra-musical concerns like attractiveness, fashion-sense, physical health, or even the brand-name of a musician’s instrument, have always played a part in the public’s perception of an artist, doesn’t it seem like a double-standard to hold a woman’s attractiveness against her when most of the successful men in the industry are also fit, fashionable, young, and handsome? We generally don’t hold a man’s good looks against him if he’s successful. Cute-Girl Dismissal Syndrome seemed relatively harmless at first (to me); but at the heart of things, it’s sexist.

And that’s just one of countless examples of a more subtle form of sexism that’s sometimes difficult to recognize because of its lower-volume, but higher-frequency (which, arguably, could be equally or more damaging than overt forms, since they’re harder to spot, harder to agree upon, and harder to rally the troops around when it comes time to make some change).

Anyway, that’s my confession. I’ve since learned to see (or hear) the error of my ways. Before making judgements, I’m trying to be more aware of some of my ingrained cultural assumptions.

How about you?

I realize that much of this post has centered on “attractiveness” (and we could spend hours discussing what that even means), but sexism can reveal itself in assumptions or prejudices about almost any aspect of life– from physical looks, to intelligence, to athletic ability, to mental or emotional expression, to communication, to art.

How have you dealt with sexism in the music world? How have you been guilty of it? What are some of the possible solutions, or ways of teaching people through it?

Also, I realize that there may be some applicable cross-over in the experiences of sexism AND racism or classism. If you feel like comments on racism or classism can add to a discussion on sexism, please feel free to join the conversation. (And I’ll do a post on those topics down the line.)

We’d love to hear your thoughts. Please feel free to leave your comments below.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Vee-Sado/1139126433 Linda Vee Sado

    I’m a female rock guitarist and get all kinds of grief. I get hate mail about it all the time saying how much I suck.
    The best complement I have ever had was, oh your guitar has a nice tone. Like it’s playing itself.
    I have been heckled by drunks while I am setting up and they have not yet even heard me play.

    I even had some punk clerk in a guitar store tell me why I was buying strings he has yet to hear a good female rock guitarist.
    And another clerk snatch a Gibson SG I was trying out right out of my hands mumbling some crap about how I needed to be careful with it, like I was some idiot.
    I have also been ganged up on Indie sites by other males guitarists trying to run me off leaving all kinds of insulting comments.
    In fact I wrote a song about it.

    • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

      That’s rough– to feel like people are trying to discount this thing that you’ve spent so much time on, simply because you’re female. Sorry to hear about those experiences.

      But speaking of SGs and good female rock guitarists— http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrie_Brownstein. Tell that to the punk clerk.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Vee-Sado/1139126433 Linda Vee Sado

        There are some incredible female rock guitarists on youtube as well.
        I have also BTW had my 1979 Les Paul deluxe called things too like pig when I take it out of the case. Or people make cracks about the mini humbuckers like they are somehow inferior.
        The good news is over the years I have grown a very thick skin

        • Vange

          It’s all envy!

      • Stan

        St. Vincent comes immediatley to mind as one of the most genius guitar players of all time, and there are plenty that rock, IMO.

        • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

          She’s amazing. Great writer too.

  • roberts

    fyi, there aren’t good “female” guitarists. they’re just “good guitarists”… this illustrates the “good for a girl” syndrome many employ when talking about any of the things women do that are typically associated with men.

  • Viola

    I had a guy in a guitar store tell me to put down the Martin acoustic I was trying out because I might break it, and I should (this is a quote), “Just wait for your boyfriend to come and then you can point to the one you think is pretty.” I left, and bought a guitar elsewhere.

    I have had guys try and sell me pink 1/4 cables instead of the cables I asked for; I have been told, when I play guitar well, that I’m “almost as good as a guy,” or “if I closed my eyes, I would have thought you were a guy” as if it somehow means playing like a guy is a compliment.

    I’ve been told I was too pretty to have to carry such a heavy instrument, and why don’t I just sing instead of playing guitar, because it’s, you know, *hard*.

    I’ve even been told that I can’t even know what I want my music to sound like, because girls don’t understand that technical stuff.

    One reviewer spend an inordinate amount of time in his CD review talking about what I looked like on the cover, and how pretty I was, and how he wasn’t sure if it was a photo thing, or if I looked like that in real life. He spent very little time talking about the music, but when he did, he said he strongly doubted it was me playing guitar on all those songs, because of how I look. Sigh.

    I could go on, but I’m done ranting. Just had to vent. Sigh.

    • Vange

      I want to hear your music!

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Linda-Vee-Sado/1139126433 Linda Vee Sado

      hahaha I have gotten the why don’t you just sing BS too.
      But like you said, I could go on forever with stories like this. I have been playing over 30 years.

  • Honey Brandy

    Hey is this a david letterman moment…. someone trying to get out in front of what….? sounds like you guys at host baby / cd baby new a thing or two about this ism and scizms thing going on………and i’ll probably
    pay for saying so….. but that’s my take

    • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

      Nope. Not a David Letterman moment. (At least I hope not!) I was just thinking about this stuff recently because a few weeks ago we posted a success-story article about a woman who got a slot on a festival’s main stage because her Facebook fans posted requests on the festival’s Facebook Page. In the comments section for the article, I saw quite a few people attributing that success to her looks. Got me thinking.

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    Sorry you’ve had to deal with that. Sounds especially awful to get hit on by the person that is about to pay you, and you just want to go home and go to sleep, or go out with your band and celebrate, or whatever else. Have you ever called anyone out on any of this stuff? Does it backfire? Does it ever help?

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    Plus, she’s written some amazing songs.

  • Stan

    Sorry, but this sounds like conformity to the double standards of sexism to me. Why should women be any more careful of the way they look than men? Because society judges women much, much more harshly on their appearance than they do men. I think it is a BS double standard and that trying to conform to what society deems acceptable is a recipe for suppressing your own creativity.

  • Stan

    My suspicion is that the worst sexism/racism/classicism is in the engineering side of the music world.

  • http://twitter.com/helenaustin Helen Austin

    having been a woman in the very male dominated world of stand-up comedy for 20 years and now one in the world of music… I have to say you’re always going to experience both ends of the sexism spectrum and the outcome always depends on your attitude to it.

    There’s always something to complain about it but if that’s what you do, then that is how you will be viewed. If you want to avoid not being taken seriously as a woman then do your homework, arrive prepared and your knowledge and professional attitude will shine through… even if some men are a little slow to get it sometime ;)

    I have just been lucky enough to spend 2 weeks recording a new album with a male producer, publisher and drummer, who all took me very seriously from the get go… and that is always SO refreshing… not to say relaxing :)

    It all has it’s plusses and minuses… make the most of the good stuff!

  • Kev, up north

    My town has a thriving fem singer songwriter scene, which supports a venue and a great festival, and exports widely. I love being the guy they come to to help put a band together, go amp shopping, tour advice, etc. Beloved sisters, terrific artists, problem solvers, tour machines, and they know their songs are safe with me and I’m not trying to get in their pants. I hardly hang with guys at all.

  • annie bacon

    Oh totally. Have to be twice as good to be considered equal. Can’t tell you how often people used to assume I was just one of the band members’ girlfriends (doesn’t happen as much when I’m fronting my own band now). Also had someone come up to me after a show once and say “oh wow, you actually know how to PLAY that bass” as if they had assumed I was just a token girl bass player in the band.

    But I’ve also had the experience of meeting wonderful male musicians who don’t give a crap whether or what you are, just as long as the music-making is good. This -in their company- is where I prefer to spend my time.

  • http://twitter.com/brianbotkiller brian botkiller

    If my band had a dollar for everytime a door guy has figured that our Keyboardist (a girl) has been assumed to be one of our girlfriends rather than in the band, we’d be rich.

  • Anonymous

    Yes, I’ve had my civil rights trampled on for the last 7 years by the screeners at a certain A&R company. Of course they pound the table and deny, but they steer the liberal left stuff towards reward, while rejecting songs with traditional American values. It doesn’t take too much critique aggregation to see the blatant bigotry at work. People should keep their politics out of the decision making process when dealing with songwriters.

  • Amanda Price

    agree 100% about sexism in the industry.. women are either a decoration or a backup singer at most of the festivals and Jen and I can attest this. We have talked to the very rare other female fronted group at festivals through out the last 10 years and its been a constant saussage fest. I have to say though women are far more geared for the industry side.. Dudes can roll out of bed and look hot, women have to work hard for it. If you saw a women on stage in day 4 clothes and dirty hair you would call her a bum, you see a dude on the state and he is mysterious and sexy. The double standard exists and its tough to see it going away soon if not ever. We have talked about this more recently in the last 3 years and really want a women take over. We are strong and talented and get the ish done!

  • Brooksie

    I have been in this business for over thirty years and it has been very difficult to be taken seriously as an artist. Mostly, it is assumed that you can’t play even if you can sing. Then it is assumed that someone is paying your way and you could not have made it on talent. Now, I understand that things are a bit better and you are not assumed to be sleeping with your producer, record exec or whatever, however, in my day the women that did that usually got the job. Bless Madonna for not giving a sh*t and just doing it anyway.Look at the price all artists pay in this country in order to try to make a living at their art and then add dismissal because you are a woman and may I say I had to develop a pretty thick skin. Did it anyway and still do. Add age to the equation and it really is an uphill battle..But, just try and stop a girl with a guitar!!!

  • Anthony Holloway

    My wife is also a musician and has suffered plenty of sexism. It has reared its ugly head in the form of less pay and dismissive behavior.
    Don’t put up with it ladies, there are other fine musicians and club owners to work with. You won’t change anyone’s behavior, and you don’t have to stick around and take it.
    There will always be sexists in the audience.

  • Highview

    I’m a woman and think worrying about this is really grasping for problems that in the big picture are so small. Considering what women in many other societies have to suffer, I thank God every day I live in the good ole USA! Some guys are jerks but I’m not going to waste my energy looking for it. We girls got it GOOD here!! :-)

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    Hey McKinley, I think I know the band of which you speak. Talented women, all three of ya. As for the “sorry, Tori Amos has already met our female musician quaota” comment— wow.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=653466862 Apryl Electra

    I have to deal with it all the time. Right now I’m trying to form a rock band in Los Angeles. I had a ton of replies to my craigslist posting. So many guys were stoked about the project until they found out I was female. I never heard back from them. I have amazing songs written and gigs waiting… yet no on-board, experienced musicians. I’m so frustrated!
    Playing out, I’ve been asked BY THE SOUND GUY if I knew how to work my own gear. Please! I’ve been in this business since I was a teenager but most men act like I’m some sort of newbie. I get no respect unless I sing in a small, girly voice. I don’t sing like that naturally, I’m sorry! I’ve been singing in my own voice since I started writing music at AGE SIX. So, come on guys. I know what I’m doing. And yet, these guys who tell me I should sing a certain way don’t even acknowledge that I’m a songwriter and multi-instrumentalist.

  • Nada Lewis

    As a female musician, I get it both ways. Sometimes it is an advantage. Usually it is not an issue for people hiring me. A couple of times a bride has turned me down because she wants a man playing romantic accordion for her wedding dinner. Perhaps they felt threatened in being the center of attention? I am a booking agent as well as a performing and teaching musician, so I sent her a guy in a tuxedo who plays decently, but not as well as I do. They never knew the difference of course.

    As far as my solo performances and my bands are concerned, I have earned great respect as an excellent musician from other musicians. I have discovered, painfully at the time, that for a woman to be recognized as a good musician by guys, she has to be twice as good to be considered an equal! The advantage here is that it inspired me to be even better, to excel.

    Recently a client asked me for a young sexy female Scottish bagpiper for a sports team fund raiser. It pissed me off. I booked them a man finally.
    The only woman I knew who could have fit that bill was not available. It indicates the people are stupid and unconscious. (hey, try to look sexy even in a mini-kilt all red in the face huffing and puffing on that bagpipe for an hour in the sun, tripping down a gravel path you can hardly see)

    Most often, people might not hire me to play a particular ethnic world music because I’m not actually from that country. What about us ethnomusicologists who’ve been doing it professionally, from the heart, for years and years?
    Occasionally I invent a grandmother from there, and, amazingly, that gives me the credibility to get hired to play the wonderful repertoire I love, and play it well. yeah, they don’t believe you can do it if you’re not from there. Then after the gig, they kiss you, thank you for playing the traditional music from their country so beautifully, and send you home with delicious leftover food.

    Then there are those people who have to have a “young” band or they don’t want it. Doesn’t matter how good the musician(s) are. The clients are fools.

    Semi-cheesecake photo attached (I play the game–it’s part of making a living)..

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    Sure thing. Thanks for adding your thoughts and experience to the discussion.

    • PinkDiva

      Thanks for responding. Goodness me! I wrote a lot didn’t I? I didn’t realise it at the time. Whoops…

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    We do go home to sleep at night. Now we’re back at work. As owners of the blog, we do reserve the right to delete any comments we choose; but I’ll leave yours up.

  • Huntress of Pinheads

    This is a great post, Christopher, and I’m impressed with the multitude of insightful, well-thought comments that resulted. Sometimes, when I come across anti-intellectual, inane comments like Hog’s, my skin starts to crawl; however, instead of listing off the reasons why comments like these are…. well, stupid, I thought I’d look at the positive side of the blubberings of people like Hog Whitman. My thoughts on those members of the Idiocracy have been summarized nicely, by Daniel Gilbert, Professor of Psych at Harvard:

    “We live in a world in which people are censured, demoted, imprisoned, beheaded, simply because they have opened their mouths, flapped their lips, and vibrated some air. Yes, those vibrations can make us feel sad or stupid or alienated. Tough shit. That’s the price of admission to the marketplace of ideas. Hateful, blasphemous, prejudiced, vulgar, rude, or ignorant remarks are the music of a free society, and the relentless patter of idiots is how we know we’re in one. When all the words in our public conversation are fair, good, and true, it’s time to make a run for the fence.”

    Thank you, Hog, for reminding me of how thankful I am for living in a country that upholds the importance of freedom of speech. You’ve done well.

  • Saltation Ignite

    Thank you for this article! It’s so true and these double standards need to change

  • LMajora

    Let’s not confuse ‘tolerance’ with continual resignation. Tolerance is about endurance and fortitude, not blindness.

    Sexism exists – just check out some of the comments to this post. Yes, much of it is anecdotal, but hey – if musicians are some of the most ‘tolerant’ people you’ll ever come across, why are they taking the time to write about what they obviously perceive as a problem, and back it up with personal experience? Is it because they’ve been stricken with a vagina? Or because they are transgendered?

    Also, it shouldn’t be overlooked that sexism is a problem that affects all people equally; expectations based purely on the sex of a person are systemic and damaging to everyone. This is NOT about blaming males for the problems of women. The point is to discuss how systemic sexism, social roles of gender, and expectations of gender impact our every day experiences.

    You are probably correct in that there are less instances of “seedy, purely male-dominated venues”. My suspicion is that blowjobs are less often traded for good gigs because these days people get into serious trouble for overt sexism. Sexism lawsuits are pretty common these days for good reason.

    Sexism (following in the path of racism and classism) is more insidious these days. Subtle, in order to avoid stepping directly into a fresh steaming pile of career-ending lawsuits.

    I guess you aren’t arguing that sexism doesn’t exist, considering that you did write: “Seriously dude: the music biz is hard enough for everyone, and the prejudices cut both ways.” I guess what you are saying is that girls are more “whiney” about injustice than guys. Hmmmm……

    Lastly, I can’t see how starting a dialogue about this leads to a creative vacuum. In fact, it seemed to do just the opposite, if you take the time to read the resulting comments. Just beware the dude that compares penis size to courage.

  • LMajora

    Lovethedaysitrains,

    In order to avoid assuming that you’ve committed a very common logical fallacy(the “fallacy of false cause”) by assuming that because I argue sexism exists then I am therefore “PC”, perhaps I should give you a chance to explain yourself. Seems like “PC” is a dirty word for you. How would you define “political correctness”?

    As for genitalia fixation – your tots right! I’m a wicked fan!

    However, I was only responding to that guy Hog when I was talking about penis size, and I was being ironic, which maybe you didn’t pick up on. That aside….as a well-traveled, genitally-exposed, working class female – guys totally DO measure their junk. Most start at where the scrotum attaches, as to give the biggest possible measurement.

    And my point about anecdotes is that the overwhelming MAJORITY of anecdotes offered here (in response to this blog post) were affirming the fact that sexism has played a part in the experiences of many female-musicians, and some males! Majority, I repeat. However, I would never discount your personal experience – in fact, I’m even cool with you having your own opinion!

    So, yeah, define “PC” and let’s get this debate started! I’d totally be up for hearing you out as long as you can avoid the cruel jabs. I was wicked sarcastic in my response to that Hog guy, because he was being such a douche, but I was earnestly responding to you. I didn’t mean to imply that I wasn’t ‘hearing’ what you were saying; I was just arguing a different side of the argument. Seemed like that fact that I disagreed with you made you super angry.

    Also, perhaps you should read the (original) original article that spurred this article on sexism…. wait, I can’t find it… will post when I do.

    Lastly, as for my fiction preferences… currently, I’m a fan of the George RR Martin (Game of Thrones), would could qualify as trashy romance, depending on what page you landed on. Recently finished Tina Fey’s book “Bossypants” which is HILARIOUS and also concerns itself with… well (cough) the fact that sexism exists in the film/tv industry. I’m pretty sure no matter what your definition of PC is, most wouldn’t attach that label to Tina Fey. This is not to say: sexism exists because Tina Fey says it does!

    On that note… how would you, Lovethedaysitrains, define ‘sexism’?

    • LMajora

      Here is the article I was referring to:

      http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/2012/03/how-danika-holmes-got-on-the-main-stage-of-the-heartland-jam-music-festival/

      (read the comments section)

      This is what helped spur the post on sexism.

    • Lovethedaysintrains

      Hi LMarja, thanks for your reply. Contrary to what you may think I’m not ‘super angry’. Slow me up on the phone when I’m cooking, then I’ll give you super angy -lol

      I merely wanted to highlight the weaknesses in your reply. So leaving aside your imaginative, self appointed right to sit in judgement of what is, and what is not, ‘common logical fallacy’, I’m happy to address your concerns.

      Yes, you’re quite right: I believe the whole concept of political correctness to be a maliciously unpleasant. As you requested I’ll define it for you shortly.

      Now, now LMarja! :) You’re trying to move the goalposts again, oh, bless!: I said in my post that sexism (towards both females and males) exists; so blah to you for pretending I’ve labelled you for saying sexism exits. I posted before you – remember?

      With regard to your (self confessed -lol) genitalia fixation, and your ‘I was only responding to that guy Hog when I was talking about penis size’ comment, hints that I misunderstood your reply.

      No, LMajora: what you did was phone the Fire Dept. to report a robbery. You get what I mean?

      If you genuinely wanted to reply to ‘Hog’ and to my post, you would have done so separately. Else you would have posted your own comment, not a reply. It was inappropriate to comment on two posts with a reply to a single post.

      Here’s a guess (you see I used to be a little like you once, so I know all the tricks): you replied to what you hoped would become a popular post (as if I care how popular/unpopular my posts are – but thanks for the flattery), so that your views would be permanently pinned to that popular post and so carried along by it, (*gasp* -see I told you I knew why you did it ;-) . LMAO

      Sexism of course exists, but not as much (as a trawl through these posts shows) as people whinging because things don’t go their way, they feel someone’s not taking them or their band seriously, or they feel judged on their appearance, or *more gasps* the sound engineer doesn’t thinks a musician they’ve never met before might perhaps not know how to work a mixing desk.

      Its all a bit of a sad victim culture thing. The above will happen to all musicians of both sexes. Should we then start a charity to distribute tissues for musicians – for cry into if no one claps at a gig (not clapping must be another form of sexism too surely? *Falls over her Ampeg laughing*).

      Happy to give you a definition of sexism, since you asked for it:
      Someone stereotyping a gender instead of taking each individual person on their merits and weaknesses (to be told to keep you’re hands the hell off the $20,000 PA system, when it’s not yours, is not sexism. It’s not because you’re a woman or a man, it’s because said sound engineer doesn’t want to lose his job because of some egotistical know-it-all musician doing any damage).

      My example of sexism would be, say, for instance:
      A woman who feels able to generalise, and speak for the entire male population of the world, with a phrase like: ‘guys totally DO measure their junk. Most start at where the scrotum attaches, as to give the biggest possible measurement. ‘
      Hmmm, I wonder who could have said that.

      Re your comment: ‘So, yeah, define “PC” and let’s get this debate started! I’d totally be up for hearing you out as long as you can avoid the cruel jabs.’

      Don’t come creeping back to my posts, pretending that your behaviour is acceptable. If you had the slightest amount of respect for me you would have, as discussed earlier, written two separate posts: one reply to me, and one to the guy who bugged you. So, if you weren’t also female, I could accuse you of sexism, right about now.

      But for your entertainment, misunderstanding and denial, here is my subjective definition of PC. With examples, of course! It’s just a shame someone beat me to it with those amusing ‘Love is’ books.

      Political correctness is malevolently bullying someone, while reducing their ability to defend themselves – through any underhand method possible, including: peer pressure from converts, embarrassment, attempts to undermine them socially or in the workplace, lobbying for political decisions to reduce people’s rights and freedom.

      Political correctness is knowingly telling untruths or partial truths that are not reflective of the whole, in the hope of furthering one’s own standing or career, and/or to influence unguarded minds.

      Political correctness is about the suppression – little by little – of all art and language that does acknowledge the divinity of PCness

      Political correctness is the theft of ideas from those marked to be disadvantaged by PC ideas, and the exchange of verifiable truths for agreed upon myths.

      Political correctness is about making one bunch of good people feel like victims and another bunch of good people feel like criminals.

      Yea, girl, that definition will do! These are my own words and opinions: I don’t require anybody to speak for me, or my experiences of -isms. Not Chris Robley, who started this thread off, nor anyone in the comments section. I am proud of my non victim status, and despite all the downtrodden, ‘he/she looked at me, with their eyes, on purpose, and would exactly what I told them to do’ harrowing accounts of sexism here, please don’t feel the need to stick up for me and the ‘terrible’ treatment I get a gigs *really, when did that happen?*, I can do that just fine, all on my own -thanks.

      Hey LM, here are a couple of examples of why I’m anti PC,

      Music:
      Lyric censorship: Money for nothing by Dire Straits. The song, cleverly written from the view point of a character who is clearly and obviously a bigot, started getting whinged at, and recently got banned in Canada (thankfully some brave stations kept playing the track and the ban was overturned – else it would have stood)in some places for using a not expletive word, used satirically. Knopfler has to be careful not to sing the word live anymore, and even had to release a ‘safe’ version. Which song/artist/book is next I wonder?

      Politics:
      I’m unashamedly a middle of the see-saw type of girl: I hated Bush (which is also ok with the PC mob), but I also don’t like Obama (this is definitely a sin in the eyes of the PC). I can’t imagine, LMajora, I’d have to persuade you to join me disliking former President Bush. But, let me take a guess, you like the big O, right? (He is the PC choice, lest we forget! ;) .

      So, what do you think to his comments regarding the tragic death of the 17 year old shot dead, when Obama said, ‘if I had a son, he would look like Trayvon’

      I was moved when I saw the pic on TV too, but later I discovered that picture was actually of the tragically deceased 17 year old, when he was a child. The up-to-date photos showed him sporting tatts, a full set of gold teeth, and flicking the bird.

      Now I’m not arguing with his ‘look’. Seems a pretty cool handsome dude to me, plus I’m carrying some ink myself. The point is, even though the President knew the photo being shown was half a decade out of date. He still used it to make himself look caring, and helped to make an already explosive situation where tensions are running high, worse!

      Since non of Obama’s family seem to be sporting a full set of gold teeth and tattoo’s, it pretty clear that his ‘son’ comment is just plain not true, thus creating a myth. This is PC at work in our government, and it’s not pretty.

      That’s my beef with PC rearing its ugly head in music: the biz is hard enough. We all get kicked around. So if you get major league sexism directed at you, then tell the world, get a lawyer, record it, gather evidence and so on. But if you’re whining because things aren’t going your way, that’s not sexism.

      I hope I’ve cleared all that up for you LMajora. One final thing: re your ‘blowjobs for gigs’ claim. That sounds pretty illegal, do please, I’m begging you let us all know the names and descriptions of these people, tell us the venues they control and their zip codes/locations to save us from danger, and most importantly CALL THE POLICE. Do it now, tell them all about these horrible men you’ve encountered. Then come back to this thread and any other place where you find gigging musicians, and tell us who and where these terrible venues are and the bad people are that you keep coming across, so we can boycott them!

      If they’re that bad, you’ll be preventing sexual harassment and possibly even sexual assault. Please LMajora, please, please, please phone the police now, and come back and warn us of the specific gigs we must avoid to stay safe … I wait eagerly for your reply … For heaven’s sake hurry, what if someone else gets put in that terrible position at one of those venues you’ve been hinting at, tonight? Hurry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Urmm, unless you made the whole thing up of course, then you won’t be able to reply will any specific people and venues, will you? Go on LMajora … tell us about the venues and people concerned, and tell the police first, of course.

      Well must go LMarja, and feel free to pin your posts to my comments anytime, to make sure people see them ;-)

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_P6ALTUJ7KUEGF4DZF6YP2L2SNI DaleG

    I’m no Artist but I believe her story,it’s easier to sell beats than to sell vocals.Men in positions of power,employment or business partnerships with attractive women will most likely abuse their position, unless the men are regulated.Recording in someone’s home is far from regulated,far from standard.Independent artist have it tougher than any other artist,and they have to pay out of their own pockets;show some respect,and understanding for Micaleew.I love cdbaby,it helps me discovery artist who should be on the radio and tv,not these no talents flooding the mainstream.P.S. I’m black,I live in South Florida and I love gangsta rap.

  • Angwish

    What a load of garbage. We are never going to live in a social utopia everyone. Ignore the racists and don’t let their negativity deter your music. It’s always, ALWAYS going to exist. Although I have most likely been discriminated against because of my ethnic background you can’t dwell on things like that….just deal with the fact that there will always be ignorance and don’t associate with those people. Focus on positivity. When we quit letting these people upset us they will disappear. In the meantime, steer clear.

  • Susan Weber

    This may be a little off track, or not, but I’d like to suggest a simple way CD Baby might approach sexism in music. I used to listen to your podcast for its good information about the music biz. I didn’t stop listening just because of this, but if you were to have a strong, confident female voice on the podcast (co-host, not just guests) I think it would go far to woo me back. Don’t get me wrong, I love CD Baby and the podcast really is good. Just sayin.

  • Bassnlegs

    The music business is one of the few business where a woman can be sexually harassed and it seems to be part of the job requirement rather than a lawsuit. You learn to smile and fend them off with a joke rather than making a scene. If you make a scene you can lose your gigs. Fortunately I’m a better bass player than most men in the Seattle scene so I’ve been treated with respect, but I’ve also been poked in the ass with numerous drummer’s drum sticks. I think I had more negative energy directed at me from wives and girlfriends because their men were hitting on me, but I could care less anymore. I was actually there to play music, not to be with their guy. Now I find most of the gigs in clubs incredibly boring. I mean really I’ve learned the 90% of your audience are – alcoholics and drug addicts – yahoo. Wow, what incredible intellectual stimulation. Anyway, yeah sexism is still rearing it’s ugly head in the music business. I guess that is why I’m writing a song called, ‘I’m Not as Dumb as I Look.’ : ) Laurie Miller

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    Not many folks in this discussion have even mentioned motherhood– Thanks for sharing. On a related topic, have you heard of this? http://www.rockmamafilms.com/Quick/?rock-n-roll-mamas,6

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    I can only imagine how much being a new mom must change the way you’re viewing your life, your time expenditure, your dreams, etc… BUT, I think I’m another one of those people who thinks you should NOT give up. Granted, the first year after your baby is born, you’re probably not going to be as active in the music world. And maybe you don’t have to go on long tours that “barely break even.” BUT I’d still encourage you to keep on making music in whatever capacity seems sane and fulfilling for both you and your family. Sorry if this sounds preachy, but I don’t think continued performing makes you “selfish” or “delusional.” If your music is important to you, it should stay important to you– after all, your baby hasn’t magically changed you into someone else (entirely). Your dreams are just as valid as they ever were. I understand having less time and energy to pursue those dreams now (since you’re dreaming for two). You don’t have to chase after them at breakneck pace like you may have when you were 18, but start up again slowly; build it up over time; do what makes sense; but keep performing! (and yes, I realize this advice is easier given than followed, and you’re the only one who can really assess your situation– and what you’re capable of balancing as a musician and a mother– so, take with grains of salt, and all that stuff…)

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    I was thinking about that the other day, how the US seems more conservative now than it was in the 60′s and 70′s. Of course, I wasn’t alive then — so this could all be based on my impression of a past I didn’t live through. But either way, those “isms” definitely still exist, and that’s troubling. Sorry to hear about your trouble finding a steady band of respectful players. Keep us posted!

  • Female_identified_musician

    Thanks for speaking out about this Chris!! Anybody interested in this topic might be interested in a blog I set up called ‘She’s Pretty Good For A Girl’. I interview female and female-identified musicians about their experiences of sexism. Some of the main points that have come up so far…

    Almost everybody I asked says that they experience sexism on a regular basis, in particular from music shop staff and sound engineers.

    Women are expected to be the singer or keyboard player, and female guitarists and drummers are often subjected to patronising comments about their abilities.

    Bands which are predominantly made up of women quite often experience the ‘glass ceiling’ of permanently playing at the bottom of the bill.

    Here’s a link to the site – http://shesprettygoodforagirl.blogspot.co.uk/

    • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

      Thanks for sharing that link. Great site.

      @ChrisRobley