How to Get Your Music into Pandora Internet Radio

August 9, 2010{ 77 Comments }

pandora radio iphone logo How to Get Your Music into Pandora Internet RadioMichael Zapruder is an award-winning musician who serves as Music Curator for Pandora, the Oakland-based internet radio service based on the Music Genome Project. As curator, he directs all aspects of music collection, curation, and cataloging for Pandora’s stations. Zapruder has been with Pandora nearly since the inception of the Music Genome Project and was appointed as Pandora’s music curator in 2004.

There are any number of ways to get your music on Pandora. We’re always looking for new music to play for our listeners, so we watch all kinds of blogs, radio stations, show listings, charts and things like that. And while we don’t automatically add everything we see in those places, when an artist reaches a certain level of visibility we like to try our best to make that music available on Pandora.

So that’s the first thing you need to know. If you are connecting with an audience or community in a strong way; if you’re playing good rooms and getting attention, you will have a fine chance of getting into our collection.

We know we can’t find everything, though, so for the many deserving bands that we miss for one reason or another (and for bands that are just starting out), we offer a web-based music submission process that is free and open to everyone.

Here’s how it works:

1.    Register for Pandora (the submission process is connected to listener accounts, so you can use your existing account if you have one).

2.    Go to http://submitmusic.pandora.com and follow the directions for submitting.

3.    If your CD meets the requirements for submission (you have to have a valid UPC code and the record has to be for sale in the Amazon CD store), you’ll be prompted to upload two songs along with any biographical or press information and any links you’d like us to know about.

4.    When we get to your submission, we listen and make a decision about whether your submission is right for us.  (This takes time, so be patient.)

5.    If you’re accepted, we send you an email with a customized mailing label that you’ll use to send us your record. If we pass on your record we let you know on your submission page and we encourage you to keep us posted on your future work.

Lots of people ask us about the Amazon requirements, so here’s the skinny:

We use UPC codes as identifiers to display the right artist information and album art when something plays on Pandora. We want to be able to show as much information about the artists we play as we can, and UPC codes make that possible.

Requiring albums to be available in the Amazon CD store guarantees that we will have usable metadata for every album we accept, which in turn frees us up to spend our time listening to your submissions instead of entering song titles and such. It also means that interested listeners will be able to find and buy your music by clicking the Amazon link in the Pandora tuner.

You can get your music into the Amazon CD store for free using a service called CreateSpace. They press on-demand CDs for Amazon purchases. For people who have CDs for sale already, there is a vendor program that Amazon offers that charges an annual fee as well (and in case you’re wondering, we don’t have any financial stake in the above services).

So, what are we listening for when we get to your submission?

Well, for unknown bands the fundamental question we have to answer is: will fans of this kind of music be excited to discover this on Pandora stations?

We also consider how the submission might add to our existing collection. We may have more of a need for Black Metal, a less visible genre, than for something more common like Indie Rock (that’s not to say that we close the door on any genres, but the state of our collection sometimes comes into play).

We have a few basic internal guidelines for listening to every submission.

For one thing, our reviewers never have to give a reason for accepting music, but they always have to explain their decision if they are rejecting something. This only seems fair to us.

Also, we try to keep our personal musical preferences out of the decision-making process. The fact that a reviewer may not enjoy Darkwave or East Coast Hip hop or anything else really has no place in the decision about whether our listeners would embrace that music.

We are looking for excellence. Tim, Pandora’s founder, often says: “You have to earn your way into Pandora.” We try to make good decisions about whether the music lives up to that high standard.

When it’s all said and done, though, we know that with music and art we can’t ever be 100% sure we’re making the right call. We can never completely transcend our own subjectivity. Our way around that is to keep it simple: we try as hard as we can to give your music a fair hearing. We do our best to be conscientious with your work.

If we do get it wrong (and we do sometimes), we’ll find out about it; and when we see your music being reviewed or appearing on a chart somewhere, or when you’re playing the Fox Theater here in Oakland, we’ll make sure to get it into the collection right away!

Best of luck to everyone who is considering submitting their music or has already done so, and thanks from all the reviewers here for your interest in being a part of Pandora.

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This article was written by Pandora’s Music Curator Michael Zapruder and originally appeared on KnowTheMusicBiz.com. Thanks to both of them for allowing us to re-post it here. 

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  • http://www.weracketeer.com Isaac Priestley

    This is excellent. Our CD is shipping to CDBaby right now, and we’ll definitely be submitting it to Pandora once it’s available on Amazon.

    Thanks for writing about this! I have been so busy with all types of business like booking shows, submitting to press, podcasts, etc, that Pandora was not on my radar–now it is!

  • http://www.richmanmusic.com Richman

    Thanks for the tips! I just submitted my music in and am hoping for a positive response. Thanks guys! Love your blogs…I have you on my RSS FEED!

  • http://www.stevencravis.com Steven Cravis

    I have two questions for Pandora:
    1. Why is the meta data created by Amazonmp3 (download only, no physical cd) not enough for Pandora’s consideration?
    2. If, per question 1. it just simply doesn’t give all the meta data that a physical cd on Amazon gives, why doesn’t it? (Well, I guess this 2nd question is more for Amazon.com and Amazonmp3.)

    Steven Cravis

  • http://www.acidhitsmusic.com Acid Hicks

    Our cdbaby UPC is unrecognized by Amazon. Still no fix?

  • Eytan Mirsky

    I submitted 3 cd’s and 2 of them were accepted. These 2 cd’s had songs from prominent films so that was probably the appeal for Pandora.

  • http://www.katsyredstar.com Katsy Redstar

    Sounds cool. I am going to register my new CD ‘Beautiful Life’
    Thx for letting me know.
    Katsy Redstar

  • http://www.margaretsdaughter.com Margaret’s Daughter

    Hi guys, I am an artist from outside the US, and not allowed to open a Pandora account, yet “the submission process is connected to listener accounts”. Every time I try this (and I’ve been trying for the past 2 years) – even if I click the link in the article above – I get sent here: http://www.pandora.com/restricted

    ‘We are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S. We will continue to work diligently to realize the vision of a truly global Pandora, but for the time being we are required to restrict its use. We are very sad to have to do this, but there is no other alternative.’

    I understand that I’m not allowed to listen to Pandora if I’m outside the US, but surely, since I own the rights to my music, ‘licensing constraints’ shouldn’t affect my ability to get it on Pandora?

    Any advice/suggestions?

  • http://www.malarecords.com Vivian

    Excellent article! I was just getting around to researching Pandora submissions and, VOILA, there was your DIY newsletter with Zapruder’s tips.

  • http://therockopera.com Jon Wright

    The Pandora submission process is truly horrible. There are a considerable number of hoops to jump through – setting up the amazon account was tedious – and after that it takes a couple of months to get a response from Pandora. Within the submission process, I would have gladly done some of the legwork myself – like fill out a form to explain the basic styles/instrumentation, but I was not asked to, which may be why it took so long for the submission process. Ultimately, I remembered one day to log in to check the status (they don’t email you a heads up, you just have to check in every week or so) and I had a big “rejected” in the account. No explanation, and no chance of appeal. My music is objectively well-produced and certainly up to the quality of much of the stuff Pandora has made me slog through. I have since connected with other folks who went through a similar down-heartening experience. Supporting the independent musician? Not in my experience. – Jon
    http://jondaviswright.blogspot.com/2009/12/and-now-i-think-pandora-is-kinda-stupid.html

  • http://www.craigbrenner.com Craig

    Pandora is also great because it tracks all music played and pays royalties to Sound Exchange, which distributes payments to musicians. So be sure to register at Sound Exchange if you want to get paid for internet plays!

  • http://www.TyeBanks.com Tye Banks

    I’m on Pandora. Please add my station.
    Tye Banks radio also my video
    “I’m still Cool” is featured.
    Cd for sale at Cd-Baby and Amazon
    That’s Pandora!

  • http://whoresoftijuana.com Whores of Tijuana

    Well the steps were clear enough but our UPC returned a bad track listing from Amazon even tho they are on there.

    Of course there is no easy way to communicate with Amazon so this should be interesting.

  • http://www.jonnyblumusic.com Jonny Blu

    Hey CD Baby friends!

    So, normally I’m not the political type and I’m never the “bitter” or “hold a grudge” type of artist (I promise), but I saw this article and I really wanted to address it.

    To the point, Pandora is no longer a “music genome project” and their screening process is exactly the same as a radio station; i.e. if you’re not on a label or your music wasn’t picked up when Pandora first started, you have a less than .01% chance of even being considered. In all fairness to Pandora, they must get thousands of submissions at this point, but if they are still going to claim that they are basically “open to all” then they should be called out.

    Yes, I have personal experience with this (and so do friends of mine). My genre is Pop Standards/Swing/Jazz, ala Michael Bublé/Harry Connick and I’m pretty popular and well-known for an “indie” within this genre. I am a touring artist, my last album “Taboo!” was released by Peer Music (a major music publisher) and my music is played on multiple terrestrial radio stations across the country and on the internet. I am also a voting member of the Grammy Academy, with 4 album releases to my name. But after waiting about 5 months (yes, 5 months) to get a confirmation/rejection I still didn’t get one. So I went to my Account Page and all 4 of my albums had been “Rejected”. Here’s the email response when I enquired about it:

    “Hi there Jonny,

    Thanks for your inquiry in regards to your 4 albums. We greatly appreciate your efforts for sending us your music. The music curator team hopes that this small disappointment doesn’t bring you down too much -they pass on records all the time for all kinds of reasons. As a policy, they choose not to discuss these matters on why they pass on certain albums.

    Cheers,

    J—”

    Note the last sentence and contrast that with what Michael Zapruder said in his article here: “…but they always have to explain their decision if they are rejecting something. This only seems fair to us.” And furthermore, you are not allowed to re-submit an album… ever. Good policy?

    I actually think that Pandora is a great music outlet, but it really isn’t fair to dangle the carrot for indie musicians while we spread the word about Pandora for them.

    Similar to Myspace, Pandora started “indie” and now has gone “corporate”. There is nothing wrong with this, but please don’t pretend to still be in support of the independent artist if you actually are not. I would ask Michael to look down the ladder and reconsider the Pandora “screening process” because really, you are missing out on a lot of great new music out there.

    Cheers and thanks so much for hearing me out :)

    Jonny Blu

  • http://www.myspace.com/unfolk unfolk

    IMPORTANT: I just submitted my music but it’s NOT working outside the U.S. (too bad because our new cd is an Anglo-Italian collaboration).

  • http://www.debbiehennessey.com Debbie Hennessey

    Unfortunately, Pandora is not really as interested in indie artists now that they are able to play more of the majors.

  • http://www.twostarspark.com Charlie

    Good luck to any “unknown” bands trying to get on there, even if you have played good rooms with other big acts to large crowds. I haven’t met anyone who’s successfully made it through the submission process, myself included, and received a reasonable justification for rejection.

  • http://www.myspace.com/lenjennings Len Jennings

    Good info! Thanks for the tips.

  • Marcus

    “If your CD meets the requirements for submission (you have to have a valid UPC code and the record has to be for sale in the Amazon CD store), you’ll be prompted to upload two songs along with any biographical or press information and any links you’d like us to know about.”

    I thought Amazon didnt accept bio information straight from the artist, and therefore it doesnt come up on Pandora. They only get it from Gracenote or AllMusicguide, or the like. I tried to get AllMusicGuide to do it but they havent either. I have been trying to get this done, coordinated, whatever for over a year. I get on Pandora by mailing them a CD, but nothing but cover art and song titles come up when I click my name. boooo.

  • Christine

    Great! However: Pandora is only for US (and maybe Canada) people and musicians!!!
    Due to “Copyright” stuff they do not take anything from any other country. Not even listeners.
    Greets from SONY, I suppose.
    Fellows, we cannot watch most videos in youtube anymore, we cannot participate in international internet radio stations, an so on.
    I have not yet understood what “SONY & Co.” is trying to achieve with this. Their sales will definitely go down as people living “in the rest of the world” do not hear new stuff on all the new media (which SONY has decided to ignore too long).
    But, hey, there’ll come the day, when “Pandora” and the others will come knocking at the door of all the non-US indie musicians, begging to get our music on their playlists/shops/etc. :-) )))))

  • Carles

    One thing you can do to be certain you’ll be accepted into Pandora is to start a Chillwave act like The Wavves. You’ll get onto Forkast immediately, as well. Start by turning your synth up with tons of reverb…anyone can do it.

  • http://yankeemedicrecords.com Lem G.

    Another snowball into the infernal fire !

  • http://www.johnfern.com John Fern

    I submitted some of my CD’s a few years back and there was no requirement then that it had to be on Amazon. Also, why does it have to have some degree of popularity just to make it in the running? I thought Pandora would have a category for the more obscure unknown artists, the ones who really need airplay, and then let the listener decide if they like it or not. Instead, they want it to be mainstream enough to the point where it’s already gaining popularity?
    Even still, one of my songs has over 60,000 hits on youtube, (about 35,000 when I submitted) and the CD was rejected anyway. I would think they would want to get as much music into thier playlist as possible, and then the listener would know there is a lot of variety on there to check out. When I listen to Pandora now, I have a hard time finding some of the more obscure artists I enjoy. If I want the popular stuff, I’ll listen to the radio.

  • http://www.danwallacemusic.com Dan Wallace

    I think it’s great that Pandora has such a strict filtering process, even though it meant having my first two albums rejected (they accepted my last two, though, so don’t take it too hard if they reject you; just keep trying!). Anyway, I think the public used to be a lot more excited by the prospect of bypassing any kind of filtering and finding all those bands that the record labels were “too scared to sign,” but after being bombarded on MySpace by more bands than you’d never have enough time to check out (most of which would turn out not to be worth checking out), people are happy to have others to do the filtering for them. At least to some extent, you know, to make sure some basic criteria of quality and stylistic appropriateness is met.

  • http://plexhop.com calmplex

    Thanks for the info! Great article! Wish it didnt require you not sell cdr’s. That’s pretty unfair in my oppinion. The format shouldn’t be a factor if the music is good quality. But I guess its there company. They can do what they want.

  • http://Myspace.com/PeaceMafia Joey Vegas

    Looking forward to working with you at Pandora…PLEASE ADD Peace Mafia Band, Reno/Lake Tahoe!!!

    We would like to invite all of you to liten to our new Peace Mafia CD called “Off The Grid”…For everyone out there that is fed up with traffic, greed and stress!!!

    This Peace Mafia album is for you…

  • http://sykophunk.com/ joe DOE

    Like a few others who have posted before me, I submitted a CD with a valid UPC (that I got through CD Baby) and it is listed on Amazon, but when I enter the info during Pandora’s submission process it tells me that Amazon doesn’t recognize the UPC. Which is funny because Amazon has the album available for sale with that exact UPC. So I’m inclined to lean towards the cynical side on this one – Pandora just might not be interested in indies anymore. Personally I though the reason for sites like Pandora was to discover underground music that you might not hear elsewhere, but I guess I was wrong.

  • http://www.pjsteinsongs.com peter j stein

    Related to Marcus’ comments above (August 25th, at 1:56 PM), it appears that Pandora will even reject 2 songs with valid UPCs on Amazon, if customer service at CDBaby (CDBaby@CDBaby.com) does not perform a process whereby it is requested from Amazon that the actual physical CD on Amazon, and its related 2(two) Amazon mp3 singles, are newly listed under a SINGLE UPC.

  • http://myspace.com/mambodaddy Mambo daddy Records

    I submitted my music to Pandora and haven’t heard from them sence, I say screw Pandora, these people are just another gate keeper system, I dig Jango! Pandora claim is that they have musicians on staff to listen to your music should I have to be profile by just another asshole that happens to play an instrument!

  • http://myspace.com/mambodaddy Mambo daddy Records

    I say at this stage of the game there will be better things happening then Pandora bull, and I will critize Pandra in my blogs and on facebook until they get there bullshit right!

  • http://myspace.com/mambodaddy Mambo daddy Records

    I have my artist on Jango it cost a little money for air play, but it is happening “NOW” not next week or next month or when Pandora decides to get ride of the incompetence on it;s staff, hey this is the real world you don’t think Pandora is full of fools! and by the way the owner of Pandra is a musican or was he never heard of him! and I know he didn’t play with heavy weights anyways
    remember about being independent, it’s about saying fuck you to the new assholes on the block!

  • http://Dorothycolonsings Dorothy Colon

    Wow, I think reading the comments was a dose of reality. I have submitted my music, just finished my video and I am hiring a pr agent. Still waiting on a record label, but in the meantime, i think I am it. So next, I guess I will create my own Pandora, maybe I will call it Ignorah for Indies!

  • http://myspace.com/djnexus DJ Nexus

    I am an indie artist and I submitted my album “Groove Theory” back in 2008 and yes it did take awhile which they do explain to you in the submission form… It took about 2 and a half months before it made it onto Pandora and after that I have to say that it has brought me some very good exposure. I have a new album out now ” After Party” and I am preparing to submit that one into Pandora’s rotation but noticed that there was some changes done in the submission area and in my opinion it seems that Pandora made it a little more difficult to get in. In all I would say give it a try even though it seems like you have to jump a few hurdles because it will pay off if you are successful in making it on Pandora.

    check out my Pandora radiostation: DJ Nexus radio

  • http://WWW.NURREDIN.COM NURREDIN

    Pandora is EXACTLY what’s wrong with the music industry today, and why the majors are dying a slow death. We’ve got all these pinheads that won’t play music based upon it’s merit, but a bunch of peripheral BULLSH*T! Pandora is playing up to the majors by limiting what people get to hear. That’s not what the internet is all about. If I can get my music on Itunes, and have videos up on You Tube, why can’t Pandora program my music based on it’s merit? It’s because they’re in bed with the majors and want to limit the amount of product people can be exposed to, just the way the majors used to do with radio and MTV. It’s restriction of trade and they need to investigated just like the deejays that take payola. Try getting played on the radio without paying someone. There shouldn’t be any “submission process”! If the music is good regardless of genre,it should be played! I have my own record label,my own B.M.I. publishing company, my music is on Itunes, and still I get ignored. If you can download someone’s music,why do they need to produce a physical cd (besides media copies)just to get airplay? If you are a 21st Century music company and ONLY do downloads,then that means they’re only accepting product from the majors who still produce the antiquated cd! It’s all part of the major label’s plan to limit the music people hear to their product only.Pandora SUCKS!

  • http://www.facebook.com/allindiaradiomusic Martin Kennedy

    I’m lucky to have 3 albums on Pandora – the last one was in 2007, perhaps just before the submission rules got harder. Since then I’ve sent them 3 new albums with no luck. But the 3 albums that are there sell almost double on iTunes and I constantly get emails from people saying ‘I discovered you on Pandora’ so I can’t complain. It is sheer luck if you are chosen, but its worth persisting with.

  • J-Dub

    Gotta say, Pandora has really put the spin on regarding its availability to artists who are not part of the major label system. Can’t accuse them directly of lying, but there are some omissions and subjective statements that present an inaccurate picture to Pandora as being “indie friendly”.

    Pandora’s changed so much from its inception, that I no longer enjoy it as a consumer. If you go to CDBaby, and type in “sounds like King’s X”, you’ll get more than 100 bands who claim this quality. Then why in the heck did I get three Nickelback songs in the first 35 minutes of broadcast?! Of the 100+ artists putting out this kind of music, you would think by sheer numbers alone that 10-25 of them would be good enough releases to prevent repetition from a singular artist for at least an hour.

    I understand that you need filters because these days every musician is playing in multiple projects, and the majority of people in this zone are “hacks”. [One of the reasons why MySpace has become a wasteland has been just how much time and energy can be spent by clueless individuals marketing going-nowhere bands....] But Pandora isn’t as good as CD Baby or LastFM in offering new music to listen to, and the direction they’ve been going in seems to be pushing them further away from their goal of linking listeners to new music. Pandora is no better than a terrestrial station these days.

  • http://www.olivianeutronbomb.com jeremy.c.

    I’m on Pandora and I’m an indie musician who does not tour and rarely performs live any longer at all.
    It’s a bitter pill to swallow, but sometimes your music isn’t accepted by Pandora, not because they bow to labels or corporate interests, but because your music isn’t as good as you think it is (trust me, I cringe at some of my earlier work which I thought was brilliant at the time) or simply that sometimes life just isn’t fair. Let’s assume it’s #2 for the sake of argument; we all have a right to be artists and enjoy what we do. We’re all not entitled to making others suffer through it though. :)

    I would also like to address those who think it’s unfair to have to submit a physical CD to amazon and then wait a month or two. Trust me on this too, it’s not that difficult.
    Really.
    It’s not.
    If you can’t be bothered to pass that small (and it is small) of a barrier to entry, you aren’t hungry enough. I firmly believe that there should be some barriers to entry. It sounds like snobbery I know, but when you really think about how much love and money and passion and time you have invested in yourself over the course of your career, do you really want someone who could give a toss with their head in the clouds to wander in and demand the time and attention you have worked your tail off for? Of course not. We’re not talking big money and connections to the biz types of barriers (of which I have little of either), we’re talking that small extra 1% effort that will cause so many daydreamers to just fall off of the map. It’s astounding to me really that Pandora was that easy to submit to. I assumed for years it was only open to the moneyed gentry and label payola artists so I didn’t bother. When I spent the thirty minutes to jump through some really easy hoops I was on the station within a month. And I’m NOBODY. Seriously, have you ever heard of me? You haven’t, I know, I feel that pain… :P

    It’s a great opportunity for us indie artists, just hang in there, it will happen if it should and Pandora is only one of many opportunities. I have a new album to submit soon and there’s no guarantee they’ll accept it, but if they pass I can guarantee I won’t take it as a sign of conspiracy or personal short comings, it’s a big interwebs out there. You’ll hear of me eventually.

  • http://www.thugworldrecords.com ghetto politician

    pandora is alright but it is so much things u got to go through to get your music on there if u really want to get your music heard and played and be able to gain fan base all over the world use jango airplay jango radio is so much better

  • http://myspace.com/7thirtyfam LEGIT

    I would of Liked to have my music on Pandora, but I do not have a Physical CD UPC bar code, which would of been awesome if a DIGITAL download(ONLY) UPC bar code would of worked.. maybe in the Future

  • http://www.sevevsevan.com Seve Vs. Evan

    Our album got denied. They said we could only submit once I was pissed. Our music has been licensed by Fox Searchlight, Burton Snowboards, FUEL TV, so i know it’s not our music. I felt like since we weren’t on a label they didn’t accept us. There are bands on legit labels that are on pandora, who are less popular than us. I don’t know, i was just really mad they don’t cater to indie bands who make good music. I have friends who have also been denied for the same reasons. They are just another corporate radio station in my honest opinion as an independant artist of 10 years.

    “when an artist reaches a certain level of visibility” that tells you something about how pandora thinks of music.

    Best of luck to anyone trying to submit.

    Just know PANDORA IS NOT INDIE FRIENDLY!

    -Seve

  • http://www.myspace.com/comunadesantos Rubben

    Our music is on amazon but hell how to get our upc number?
    WHere is it on the account,i try to contact them, they dont know..their response was “We dont have any business with Pandora”
    Please hElp!!

  • http://www.earcandleproductions.com J Neo Marvin

    We have used Jango before, and it’s great to get listener feedback and help get our name out there, but it’s totally a “pay to play” situation, and it becomes too expensive to continue for very long. If you are “chosen” by Pandora, do you have to pay a fee for their service?

  • http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/DrewWinters Drew Winters

    I used to love listening to Pandora. But it all disappeared one day, apparently because I live in Canada. Still, I’d love to get my tunes on there… do you accept submissions from Canadian artists?

  • http://www.constantlyburningfire.com Major Demotion

    I’ve noticed a decline in quality and variety on Pandora that appears to correspond greatly with how much harder it is to get on it these days.

    I would propose a new site/station that operates purely on the votes and ratings of unique users. That way the cream would rise to the top without the major label hurdles that block entry into major exposure.

  • http://www.ctraffik.com ctraffik

    I’m glad I read this article. My Music is already on Pandora, It was a long process but I had no idea they rejected so many other artists. Every since I got on Pandora my iTunes sales have increased exponentially! But, had I not read these comments I would have never hear of SoundExchange. I just went over to their site and my stuff is sitting in the “unclaimed” bin!! God knows how much $$ in royalties I would not have claimed without Craig’s comment above (http://www.craigbrenner.com/).

    There are no magic beans, shortcut or secret recipe to success. If Pandora rejects you then keep hustling. Remember that Pomplamoose made it on YouTube and now they quit their day jobs and eat of music 100%. Get out there and push every venue and channel. Good luck to all!

  • http://www.nzcountrymusic.com Rex Franklin

    Hello,
    I’ve just read all these entries, and there is a mixture of happy, and disappointed people.
    I clicked-on to find-out about Pandora, but also read about Sound Exchange, which I will now investigate.
    Thank you for your comments,I have every confidence in cdbaby, I place our CDs with radio disc jockeys I know will give us some airplay, and leave it at that.
    Have a nice day.
    Rex Franklin, for Rex and Noelene Franklin.

  • Darren Boch

    Okay, I’m sure every artist believes his or her music is good enough for Pandora. But based on experience, no matter how high the production values or quality of the music, indie artists should be prepared to be rejected by Pandora, without explanation nor the ability to follow up and ask, why? Their business model has morphed into commercial radio’s business model, which means they rarely accept music from those not on a label. So, even though they say they go by this complex “Music Genome Project,” where “trained” musician sit for hours and put your tracks into a super computer to ascertain its worthiness for Pandora, don’t be surprised by rejection. You’re better off attracting fans by internet radio outlets that truly let both the music and the fans speak for themselves, like last.fm and jango.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/HaIeybop Haley Page

    I just got accepted 2 days ago on pandora. Im super happy and really didnt expect to get in after reading this. Just wanted to share that they aren’t after just labels (I certainly am not signed). I have nothing but good to share about Pandora. Good luck to all of you musicians out there.

  • http://www.brianbotkiller.com brian botkiller

    Pandora can suck it. They ARE biased about what they choose, despite what you’ve been lead to believe. In addition, their support is a bunch of snarky asshats that can’t deal with questions outside of “how can I kiss pandora’s ass more?” Pandora is a waste. Go to Last.fm.

  • http://www.jellybeansongs.com Tony

    I received an email a few days ago from Pandora that our album was accepted. I had even forgotten I submitted to them since it was in September. Like Haley, I didn’t expect much after reading many of the comments here, but since there was no charge to submit, why not? The genre is children’s music, so maybe they don’t get tons of submissions in that area. Also, like Haley, this group is certainly not signed to a label. In fact, the performers are only in the seventh grade. Yep, the group is made up of eleven girls called ‘The Jellybeans’ and they have their own album as well as a Christmas single here on CD Baby. I submitted the first two tracks from their album ‘Back In School’ and Pandora said, “OK.” The girls were thrilled when I told them because all the kids are into Pandora.

  • http://StarImage.net Kirk

    Pandora company is stuck in the middle of two rocks, one trying to go mainstream radio and finding they still need indie music. That’s why they want indie music that is popular. I believe internet radio fails when independent artist are excluded. in the up and coming years Independent artist will become more stronger. more and more music will be made be independent artist that will flood the internet market. even as I speak major label are trying to deal with this (Problem). You Know what thew say If you can’t beat indie you Join them. Pandora is facing the same problem and soon will recognize Indie music as a strong entity.

  • B.o.m.b

    Thanx !!! I guess i will try my luck with last.fm and jango.. Are there any others Besides pandora??

  • http://www.iacmusic.com/steveapril steve april

    hi michael,

    hope you’re well…

    I checked the status for the Ison April CD submission “Sailors on the River” and found pandora passed. oh well.

    I would like, in all humility to include a 5 star review received from cdbaby by a well known muso. In addition, there are over 50 comments/reviews praising the CD, in the album notes there.

    Ison April are todays Lennon and McCartney

    I have had the privilege of reviewing both albums this team has released, one word, stellar, maybe two. captivating and intriguing. terrific lyrical content with wonderful music equals many listens, you wont be disappointed at all. Sailors on the River will indeed have you wanting more and they deliver that on California. So if you want a few hours of music teeming with colorful melodies ,excellent singing and wonderful stories, download their tunes or buy their cds ison april are the Lennon McCartney duo for pop music today…”
    –author; voodoohead productions

  • http://www.johnclinebell.com John Clinebell

    Hey, I’m scratching my head about this.. I submitted both of my albums: Make It Land & Stomping Grounds. Both were submitted on 3/10/10. It says “still pending.” A friend of mine used an online submission service (NOT CDBaby) and her album is already on Pandora. I can understand if it takes time to curate quality content, but I’m wondering if my submissions got stuck in the queue somewhere? Any suggestions? I can’t find any information online as to who I might be able to contact. :(

    Any help would really be appreciated.

    -John Clinebell

  • http://members.cdbaby.com CD Baby Admin

    I think what this means is Pandora accepted that particular music into their Music Genome Project and for their radio station. It won’t give the artist any particular “in” to send other artists’ music.

    • Dave Strand

      Apparently it also doesn’t give that SAME artist an IN when they release a new album. I’m kind of upset with Pandora for not considering our latest cd, but approving our old one a couple years back. Oh well, at least we have a couple songs up there. It seems very tough to get into Pandora these days. I think it depends on your genre and how much music they ‘need’ in that genre.

      Good luck and congrats to anyone who gets on Pandora now that they’ve kind of tightened down their grip on music.

  • http://www.facebook.com/laurastinceradmin Laura Stincer

    My name is Laura Stincer. I’m an independent artist that just released my Debut CD and my video have reached over 120,000 views on Youtube, my CD was played for 8 weeks on 7waves Community Radio FM & Internet radio station in UK & I’m selling both physical CDs and MP3s on amazon as they required. I submitted my music to Pandora and they rejected it. When you go to my genre that is New Age. The Videos of some of the artists they are playing they don’t have more than 500 views. I think it was totally unfair & they should reconsider it. I don’t think they even took the time to listen to the songs. My fans have been requesting the songs as well but they don’t listen to them either.

  • Deathstopsdesire

    if you get the upc through create space you can get your music on amazon but for some reason cannot use that upc for submitting your music on pandora; it will say invalid upc code despite the fact that the music is available on amazon. The create space people basic told me that I have to re-do the process and enter in a new upc, which seems like I have to pay for the upc from a website and pay for another “proof” copy of the cd. They also said they don’t supply the music to pandora at this time.

  • Johnhussy1425624

    At this point, you’ve done just about all you can do to get on Pandora. There’s no guarantee that you’ll be included, but it’s now out of your hands. Pandora’s team will listen to your submission and learn more about you as an artist before they decide whether or not you get to have your songs side by side with Michael Jackson. And although they claim to thrive on unknowns and up-and-comers, you can imagine that competition among independent artists can be pretty stiff.

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  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/ Christopher Robley

    You have to submit music to Pandora directly according to the guidelines on their site. Also, as far as finding artists… maybe they don’t have them in their music genome catalog?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dusty-Donley/1424775513 Dusty Donley

    WOW! This whole process has turned into a massive clusterf*@%!. My band put out our second album on February 21st. With our first album, CDBaby was able to take care of getting our UPC code linked with the physical copy of our album that was being sold on Amazon. As you can see in the above article, they are no longer able to do that for us anymore. So, for OVER A MONTH, I’ve been dealing with Amazon customer service and it’s been a NIGHTMARE!

    As with our first album, we purchased the digital package from CDBaby and also opted into the physical distribution program. Currently, we have both digital AND physical formats of our album for sale on Amazon. Pandora doesn’t recognize the album’s unique UPC code, which means the UPC isn’t linked with the physical format of our album on Amazon. I’ve called Amazon customer support. I’ve had online live chats with Amazon customer support. They’ve placed me on hold for close to an hour. They’ve transferred me to “other departments.” Each time I’ve provided them with links from their own site to both the digital and physical formats of my disc as well as the unique UPC code of the album. Each time I’ve made it clear that all I was asking them to do was connect both formats of my album with that UPC code. They make it seem like I’m asking them to construct a Death Star.

    Three times I’ve spoken with a customer service rep on the phone and three times I’ve been told that, “This will take some research. I’ll look into this and get back with you in 24 hours.” Inevitably, I get a response saying, “In order to sell your album digitally on Amazon, you need to do this and that. To get a physical copy of your album for sale on Amazon, you need to do this or that.” Despite the fact that I’ve provided them with links, they are STILL unable to grasp the concept that my album is ALREADY FOR SALE ON THEIR SITE IN BOTH FORMATS!

    This seems like a problem that should be easily fixed. I have provided them with all the information they need. You would think they could take care of this in two or three computer clicks, but no. After not hearing anything from them since April 7th, I sent them an email today (April 10th) asking why the problem has yet to be fixed. They replied…

    “We apologize for the delay, we’re still working on your issue however we’re unable to provide an estimated time of resolution. As soon as we can provide you with an answer we will get in contact with you.

    Thanks in advance for your patience.”

    My patience is growing very, very thin…

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dusty-Donley/1424775513 Dusty Donley

      This info is found on Amazon’s site:

      “If there is a track listing and a retail offer on your CD’s detail page, then your album should be visible on Pandora. However, if Pandora does not recognize your album on our site, common causes may include: there is no CD for sale on Amazon.com (and the MP3-only album does not meet Pandora’s requirements) or there is no track listing on your CD detail page on Amazon.com. If you have an MP3-only album and have physical distribution rights, enroll your title through Disc on Demand via CreateSpace and your album will be recognized by Pandora. If the latter is the case, please contact your distributor to add track listings as we cannot do this directly. For any other questions, please contact Pandora directly.”

      Pay close attention to the end of the paragraph where it says, “If the latter is the case, please contact your distributor to add track listings as we cannot do this directly.”

      So…the $10,000 question is WHO THE HECK CAN DO THIS???? If CDBaby is saying they can’t do this anymore and Amazon is saying they can’t do it, contact your distributor, then WHAT THE HECK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO??? This whole thing is one big, steaming pile of crap, if you ask me!

      • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

        This is where the problem lies. (Lays?) Until recently, CD Baby was able to add/change track listings for you. However, we’re no longer allowed to do that.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dusty-Donley/1424775513 Dusty Donley

          I guess my question is, why can’t Amazon edit information on their own site? I can understand if they are unwilling to let a second party edit listings on Amazon.com, but for them to say, “Umm, we can list your album for sale on our site, but we can’t edit any of the information.”

          • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

            Yeah. I hear you. We’ve been speaking with them over the past couple weeks to try to find a solution.

  • mike

    I was currently looking into submitting to Pandora for “The Vibesman” and ran up against the Amazon requirement. I had forgotten the reason I didn’t submit my last CD to Pandora but this was the reason.

    After looking into Amazon’s advantage membership program (as suggested by Pandora) I have to say that Amazon’s “terms” don’t seem like a good deal for indie label/sellers at all. In fact it seems totally stacked in Amazon’s favor. There’s an annual fee of $30 a year (unlimited items though). They get 55% you get 45%. They can charge what ever they want for the CD but your 45% is based on suggested retail, and the suggested retail price for Amazon can not be more than what you’re selling the CD elsewhere on the internet.

    Compare what you would get at Amazon for a CD selling at $12.97 under those terms with what you get here at CDBaby. Plus Amazon could (if they wanted) charge a higher than retail price and pocket the rest while paying you 45% of retail. Hmm…

    So just for the opportunity of being consider at Pandora we’re supposed to sign up for a bad deal at Amazon? And as noted here, there seems to be no other way around it. What a pain!

    Mike Freeman

    • Rytops1

      try createspace.com …they should still do all the same things as amazon’s advantage.. and get your cd on amazon for free..

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    It must be physical and you must have track titles in conjunction with your physical listing. CD Baby no longer has the ability to add track titles to Amazon’s physical pages, so if you’re set on sending your music to Pandora, I recommend you go through Amazon Advantage to get those track titles listed.

    • Ftzgrldfrd

      Thank you very much for the information, I appreciate it! almosthomelessband.com

  • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

    Glad to hear it worked!

  • Alston

    http://vipbadboyzproject2012.bandcamp.com/track/my-cover-girl-2
    would like submit this records on Pandora..

  • http://twitter.com/taaos phil / tAaOS / pdw

    I am a successful visual artist and an innovative musician as well. One thing I’ve learned over the years is that anytime there is a panel of judges, the truly unique and innovative artists suffer. I really have little respect for judge-decided verdicts… though I have been a judge on several occasions. I’m not being hypocritical, my judgement is no better (maybe it is) or no worse than any other judge.

    The past few years have shown an abundance of judged-talent television shows which have grown quite popular. Once again, I normally have little respect for the judges verdicts. In many cases it’s truly an insult to the talent involved.

    Though I haven’t submitted any of my music to Pandora, I can tell by the comments posted that Pandora’s decisions are just the same old thing. Perhaps that’s why I seldom listen to Pandora… they just don’t deliver in the one area they’re supposed to!

  • http://www.facebook.com/loydjhidalgo Loyd J Hidalgo

    I’ve been researching about this topic and I think I’m clear on it. I understand the whole process but I’ve realized that there are songs on Pandora and they ARE NOT FOR SALE in Amazon or Itunes OR THEY ARE FOR SALE ONLY on Itunes as a SINGLE song (Not as an album). HOW CAN I DO THAT? I would like to send SINGLES to PANDORA instead of a complete album. I would apreciate if anyone can give me an answer! Thank you…

  • Gary Charles

    I am not sure what criteria they use but I sent them two songs from my album Watercolor and I received word back that they accepted it into their database. I am very thrilled to say the least. They gave no reason why the accepted the music I submitted but it only took about 3 weeks to get an answer. I will say that my music is mostly home recorded but was professionally mixed and mastered.

  • paradoxrock

    I’ve tried all our albums that we have available on CD Baby but the UPC code for every album is not accepted.. I know the albums are available on CD on Amazon as maybe an import from CD Baby so I’m not sure why albums on CD Baby are not accepted? I’ve doubled checked all bar codes. Any ideas?

    • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

      Have you created an Advantage account with Amazon? That generally does the trick in terms of submitting to Pandora.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tommy.wimmer Tommy Wimmer

    I’m trying to jam promote some bands onto Pandora. I have the proper UPC codes, and they’re on sale at Amazon, but Pandora doesn’t recognize the UPCs or the track lists. What to do?

    • http://diymusician.cdbaby.com/author-chris-robley Christopher Robley

      Give us a call and one of our artist support people can work through it with you.

      @ChrisRobley